tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4908170626335283336.post8865761008970854912..comments2016-05-09T17:25:01.255+03:00Comments on VaTashar Devora: Report and Comments about the Conference on Qinyan and Qiddushin at the Rackman Center, Bar Ilan UniversityDevorahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14579018807634647530noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4908170626335283336.post-61902026283481774672013-06-20T00:34:46.454+03:002013-06-20T00:34:46.454+03:00Thank you for summarizing the views you heard at t...Thank you for summarizing the views you heard at the Rackman Center conference. Your blog's subject is important for all who care about the future of Jewish families and about justice for people wronged by a blinkered, defensive government rabbinate.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14024403269880343664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4908170626335283336.post-51549860368935096822013-06-19T08:43:23.630+03:002013-06-19T08:43:23.630+03:00Rivka did not suggest that male mamzerim *marry* a...Rivka did not suggest that male mamzerim *marry* a non-Jew - in Israel that is simply not possible. Having a long-term, monogamous relationship with a gentile woman falls into a category of rabbinic prohibitions. Mamzerim don't have too many options, do they? And perpetuating the problem is something that Rivka is trying to avoid, and I respect that. But I am not here to defend these suggestions - just to report them. Marriage without Qiddushin - you know, I hear all of your "this is forbidden, and that is forbidden", but let's hear a suggestion from you as to how to solve the difficulties. The status quo is not tolerable, and the result is that many good Jews ignore the halakha altogether, and in many cases, rather than just disobeying one prohibition, they abandon it all out of disgust.<br />My sarcasm is a way to cope with a Judaism that is not all-merciful and kind. If I criticize something, or even ridicule it, it does not mean I don't fully understand it. I know, you'd like to think that if I only fully understood it, I'd appreciate the value and see the wisdom of the problem of agunot, of the disgraceful proceedings in the batei din, and all the other baggage that comes with Jewish family law. It is only my lack of understanding that prevents me from seeing the light. Unfortunately, that is not quite so.Devorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14579018807634647530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4908170626335283336.post-24171413576165696512013-06-19T07:52:50.816+03:002013-06-19T07:52:50.816+03:00Some of these "solutions" proposed are a...Some of these "solutions" proposed are actually forbidden by Jewish law e.g. Rivkah's first suggestion that male mamzerim marry non-Jews is forbidden even though it is technically true that the resulting children will not be considered mamzerim.<br /><br />Also, I wonder if doing a marriage without Qiddushin would be allowed according to Maimonides that non-marital sex is a transgression of the prohibition of קדשה.<br /><br />I believe that I mentioned to you before that your sarcastic comments make your intellectual and academic observations less meaningful, I would suggest sticking to the facts and ideas instead of trying to ridicule things which you don't like or fully understand.Reuven Chaim Kleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836805247888732019noreply@blogger.com